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	<title>Comments on: Survey: Educators aren&#8217;t discussing STEM careers with students</title>
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		<title>By: TomR55</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation in Public Schools is, I fear, worse than this article suggests. As we near the ten year anniversary of No Child Left Behind and the collapse of public funding models,  we see increased balkanization within the schools as many of the non Mathematics and Science offerings complete for a dwindling number of available credits distributed among an ever smaller number of capable and interested students. 

As an example, I teach Computer Science, which the &quot;engineering&quot; teachers do NOT consider STEM. And why would they? They perceive my courses as eroding their student base. So, instead of working together, they do not feel that they need to give an inch---sounds like our current political climate, doesn&#039;t it? 

By the way, teaching is my 2nd career; I was a Computer Scientist (I guess I still am) for nearly 20 years before going to do something that I thought was meaningful for the next generation of students. Alas, it has not worked out that way because that is not the same thing as having been a classroom teacher for 20+ years, but the system rewards the later and discriminates against the former--- advanced degrees notwithstanding.

At the end of the day, I have spent nearly 8 years talking about realistic career expectations; I have modeled what an accomplished, well-adjusted professional looks like, and more than a few students have gone on to graduate study. These were the few who would have soldiered on regardless, I fear.

Finally, I see no reason to be optimistic: Duncan is no different than the lot that came before him; in fact, I find the entire Obama crowd completely lacking in courage and vision. I suspect that they are frightened to cross the same people who created NCLB. Just throwing money into the STEM pot without changing the vision, I fear, will provide more than enough ammunition for the Obama detractors, But here&#039;s the real tragedy; all of this comes at the expense of our most precious commodity, our students.

Ask yourself: Do you think that the Romanians, the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese or the French are wringing their hands over standardized test scores? To the extent that they even pay attention to what has happened here, they are loving it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation in Public Schools is, I fear, worse than this article suggests. As we near the ten year anniversary of No Child Left Behind and the collapse of public funding models,  we see increased balkanization within the schools as many of the non Mathematics and Science offerings complete for a dwindling number of available credits distributed among an ever smaller number of capable and interested students. </p>
<p>As an example, I teach Computer Science, which the &#8220;engineering&#8221; teachers do NOT consider STEM. And why would they? They perceive my courses as eroding their student base. So, instead of working together, they do not feel that they need to give an inch&#8212;sounds like our current political climate, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>By the way, teaching is my 2nd career; I was a Computer Scientist (I guess I still am) for nearly 20 years before going to do something that I thought was meaningful for the next generation of students. Alas, it has not worked out that way because that is not the same thing as having been a classroom teacher for 20+ years, but the system rewards the later and discriminates against the former&#8212; advanced degrees notwithstanding.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I have spent nearly 8 years talking about realistic career expectations; I have modeled what an accomplished, well-adjusted professional looks like, and more than a few students have gone on to graduate study. These were the few who would have soldiered on regardless, I fear.</p>
<p>Finally, I see no reason to be optimistic: Duncan is no different than the lot that came before him; in fact, I find the entire Obama crowd completely lacking in courage and vision. I suspect that they are frightened to cross the same people who created NCLB. Just throwing money into the STEM pot without changing the vision, I fear, will provide more than enough ammunition for the Obama detractors, But here&#8217;s the real tragedy; all of this comes at the expense of our most precious commodity, our students.</p>
<p>Ask yourself: Do you think that the Romanians, the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese or the French are wringing their hands over standardized test scores? To the extent that they even pay attention to what has happened here, they are loving it!</p>
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		<title>By: TomR55</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>TomR55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation in Public Schools is, I fear, worse than this article suggests. As we near the ten year anniversary of No Child Left Behind and the collapse of public funding models,  we see increased balkanization within the schools as many of the non Mathematics and Science offerings complete for a dwindling number of available credits distributed among an ever smaller number of capable and interested students. 

As an example, I teach Computer Science, which the &quot;engineering&quot; teachers do NOT consider STEM. And why would they? They perceive my courses as eroding their student base. So, instead of working together, they do not feel that they need to give an inch---sounds like our current political climate, doesn&#039;t it? 

By the way, teaching is my 2nd career; I was a Computer Scientist (I guess I still am) for nearly 20 years before going to do something that I thought was meaningful for the next generation of students. Alas, it has not worked out that way because that is not the same thing as having been a classroom teacher for 20+ years, but the system rewards the later and discriminates against the former--- advanced degrees notwithstanding.

At the end of the day, I have spent nearly 8 years talking about realistic career expectations; I have modeled what an accomplished, well-adjusted professional looks like, and more than a few students have gone on to graduate study. These were the few who would have soldiered on regardless, I fear.

Finally, I see no reason to be optimistic: Duncan is no different than the lot that came before him; in fact, I find the entire Obama crowd completely lacking in courage and vision. I suspect that they are frightened to cross the same people who created NCLB. Just throwing money into the STEM pot without changing the vision, I fear, will provide more than enough ammunition for the Obama detractors, But here&#039;s the real tragedy; all of this comes at the expense of our most precious commodity, our students.

Ask yourself: Do you think that the Romanians, the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese or the French are wringing their hands over standardized test scores? To the extent that they even pay attention to what has happened here, they are loving it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation in Public Schools is, I fear, worse than this article suggests. As we near the ten year anniversary of No Child Left Behind and the collapse of public funding models,  we see increased balkanization within the schools as many of the non Mathematics and Science offerings complete for a dwindling number of available credits distributed among an ever smaller number of capable and interested students. </p>
<p>As an example, I teach Computer Science, which the &#8220;engineering&#8221; teachers do NOT consider STEM. And why would they? They perceive my courses as eroding their student base. So, instead of working together, they do not feel that they need to give an inch&#8212;sounds like our current political climate, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>By the way, teaching is my 2nd career; I was a Computer Scientist (I guess I still am) for nearly 20 years before going to do something that I thought was meaningful for the next generation of students. Alas, it has not worked out that way because that is not the same thing as having been a classroom teacher for 20+ years, but the system rewards the later and discriminates against the former&#8212; advanced degrees notwithstanding.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I have spent nearly 8 years talking about realistic career expectations; I have modeled what an accomplished, well-adjusted professional looks like, and more than a few students have gone on to graduate study. These were the few who would have soldiered on regardless, I fear.</p>
<p>Finally, I see no reason to be optimistic: Duncan is no different than the lot that came before him; in fact, I find the entire Obama crowd completely lacking in courage and vision. I suspect that they are frightened to cross the same people who created NCLB. Just throwing money into the STEM pot without changing the vision, I fear, will provide more than enough ammunition for the Obama detractors, But here&#8217;s the real tragedy; all of this comes at the expense of our most precious commodity, our students.</p>
<p>Ask yourself: Do you think that the Romanians, the Russians, the Germans, the Chinese or the French are wringing their hands over standardized test scores? To the extent that they even pay attention to what has happened here, they are loving it!</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With standardized tests driving the content of most science and math classes, applied technology needs to be encouraged and supported. Slim budgets are threatening these classes. STEM should push - and support - them better. My 6th grade students learn computer drawing and what NASA does. My 7th grade bridge builders learn what civil engineers do and study careers in technology. My 8th graders practice forensic science and learn about their role in promoting energy that won&#039;t harm the environment. Materials that support these efforts need to be more readily available - and free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With standardized tests driving the content of most science and math classes, applied technology needs to be encouraged and supported. Slim budgets are threatening these classes. STEM should push &#8211; and support &#8211; them better. My 6th grade students learn computer drawing and what NASA does. My 7th grade bridge builders learn what civil engineers do and study careers in technology. My 8th graders practice forensic science and learn about their role in promoting energy that won&#8217;t harm the environment. Materials that support these efforts need to be more readily available &#8211; and free.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With standardized tests driving the content of most science and math classes, applied technology needs to be encouraged and supported. Slim budgets are threatening these classes. STEM should push - and support - them better. My 6th grade students learn computer drawing and what NASA does. My 7th grade bridge builders learn what civil engineers do and study careers in technology. My 8th graders practice forensic science and learn about their role in promoting energy that won&#039;t harm the environment. Materials that support these efforts need to be more readily available - and free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With standardized tests driving the content of most science and math classes, applied technology needs to be encouraged and supported. Slim budgets are threatening these classes. STEM should push &#8211; and support &#8211; them better. My 6th grade students learn computer drawing and what NASA does. My 7th grade bridge builders learn what civil engineers do and study careers in technology. My 8th graders practice forensic science and learn about their role in promoting energy that won&#8217;t harm the environment. Materials that support these efforts need to be more readily available &#8211; and free.</p>
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		<title>By: orthner</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>orthner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been developing and implementing a program in NC called  &quot;CareerStart.&quot;  We provide on-line tools that help teachers in the core courses in middle school (6-8th grades) give examples from careers as to how the information they are teaching is actually used in jobs and careers.  Our experimental study is showing quite significant differences between the students whose teachers give career examples and those who do not.  Those hearing career examples are more engaged, attend class more, have fewer suspensions, and have higher test scores, especially on math.  And these results come at very low cost since the teachers are already committed to their subjects.  One student said, &quot;I like it when they [her teachers] talk about career stuff, because then I’ll get an idea of my future.  But I would like it if they would do it a bit more.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been developing and implementing a program in NC called  &#8220;CareerStart.&#8221;  We provide on-line tools that help teachers in the core courses in middle school (6-8th grades) give examples from careers as to how the information they are teaching is actually used in jobs and careers.  Our experimental study is showing quite significant differences between the students whose teachers give career examples and those who do not.  Those hearing career examples are more engaged, attend class more, have fewer suspensions, and have higher test scores, especially on math.  And these results come at very low cost since the teachers are already committed to their subjects.  One student said, &#8220;I like it when they [her teachers] talk about career stuff, because then I’ll get an idea of my future.  But I would like it if they would do it a bit more.”</p>
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		<title>By: orthner</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator>orthner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been developing and implementing a program in NC called  &quot;CareerStart.&quot;  We provide on-line tools that help teachers in the core courses in middle school (6-8th grades) give examples from careers as to how the information they are teaching is actually used in jobs and careers.  Our experimental study is showing quite significant differences between the students whose teachers give career examples and those who do not.  Those hearing career examples are more engaged, attend class more, have fewer suspensions, and have higher test scores, especially on math.  And these results come at very low cost since the teachers are already committed to their subjects.  One student said, &quot;I like it when they [her teachers] talk about career stuff, because then I’ll get an idea of my future.  But I would like it if they would do it a bit more.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been developing and implementing a program in NC called  &#8220;CareerStart.&#8221;  We provide on-line tools that help teachers in the core courses in middle school (6-8th grades) give examples from careers as to how the information they are teaching is actually used in jobs and careers.  Our experimental study is showing quite significant differences between the students whose teachers give career examples and those who do not.  Those hearing career examples are more engaged, attend class more, have fewer suspensions, and have higher test scores, especially on math.  And these results come at very low cost since the teachers are already committed to their subjects.  One student said, &#8220;I like it when they [her teachers] talk about career stuff, because then I’ll get an idea of my future.  But I would like it if they would do it a bit more.”</p>
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		<title>By: thekingster</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>thekingster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I doubt the validity that modern students are aware of &quot;what&quot; their teachers are talking about at any given time.  Case in point: in my school, I can produce a PowerPoint, write it on the board, and provide a hand out, and invariably a student will indicate that &quot;they never knew&quot; about an assignment or announcement.

I teach a careers class and find that most students feel they will walk into above average paying careers while they can&#039;t fashion a cogent sentence.  Understandably, students need good instruction...but...if you can&#039;t convince the parents to endorse education, then, this is a lot of hot air...signifying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I doubt the validity that modern students are aware of &#8220;what&#8221; their teachers are talking about at any given time.  Case in point: in my school, I can produce a PowerPoint, write it on the board, and provide a hand out, and invariably a student will indicate that &#8220;they never knew&#8221; about an assignment or announcement.</p>
<p>I teach a careers class and find that most students feel they will walk into above average paying careers while they can&#8217;t fashion a cogent sentence.  Understandably, students need good instruction&#8230;but&#8230;if you can&#8217;t convince the parents to endorse education, then, this is a lot of hot air&#8230;signifying nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: thekingster</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>thekingster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I doubt the validity that modern students are aware of &quot;what&quot; their teachers are talking about at any given time.  Case in point: in my school, I can produce a PowerPoint, write it on the board, and provide a hand out, and invariably a student will indicate that &quot;they never knew&quot; about an assignment or announcement.

I teach a careers class and find that most students feel they will walk into above average paying careers while they can&#039;t fashion a cogent sentence.  Understandably, students need good instruction...but...if you can&#039;t convince the parents to endorse education, then, this is a lot of hot air...signifying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I doubt the validity that modern students are aware of &#8220;what&#8221; their teachers are talking about at any given time.  Case in point: in my school, I can produce a PowerPoint, write it on the board, and provide a hand out, and invariably a student will indicate that &#8220;they never knew&#8221; about an assignment or announcement.</p>
<p>I teach a careers class and find that most students feel they will walk into above average paying careers while they can&#8217;t fashion a cogent sentence.  Understandably, students need good instruction&#8230;but&#8230;if you can&#8217;t convince the parents to endorse education, then, this is a lot of hot air&#8230;signifying nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: patty o novak</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>patty o novak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  I enjoyed this interesting and informative article.  As someone who does engineering presentations for Preschool - 5th grade, I was encouraged by several mentions of introducing engineering earlier in a child&#039;s life.  Children are natural engineers and do not have to be math superstars to excel in engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I enjoyed this interesting and informative article.  As someone who does engineering presentations for Preschool &#8211; 5th grade, I was encouraged by several mentions of introducing engineering earlier in a child&#8217;s life.  Children are natural engineers and do not have to be math superstars to excel in engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: patty o novak</title>
		<link>http://www.eschoolnews.com/2010/02/25/educators-not-discussing-stem-careers/comment-page-1/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>patty o novak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  I enjoyed this interesting and informative article.  As someone who does engineering presentations for Preschool - 5th grade, I was encouraged by several mentions of introducing engineering earlier in a child&#039;s life.  Children are natural engineers and do not have to be math superstars to excel in engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  I enjoyed this interesting and informative article.  As someone who does engineering presentations for Preschool &#8211; 5th grade, I was encouraged by several mentions of introducing engineering earlier in a child&#8217;s life.  Children are natural engineers and do not have to be math superstars to excel in engineering.</p>
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